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CentOS 8.x CentOS 8 Now End Of Life (EOL)

Discussion in 'CentOS, Redhat & Oracle Linux News' started by buik, Dec 7, 2021.

  1. lostincable

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    Just catching up

    So what is the status of centminmod moving forward if centos is eol?


    Is centos still safe to use?

    I read almalinux is the preferred take over but centminmod needs a lot of work to be compatible.

    Curious to see what others are doing?
     
  2. eva2000

    eva2000 Administrator Staff Member

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    Only CentOS 8 is EOL, CentOS 7 is supported until 2024 - yes weird way of doing things for Redhat/CentOS.

    Yes working on AlmaLinux 8 and RockyLinux 8 support https://community.centminmod.com/threads/centmin-mod-centos-8-compatibility-worklog.18372/
     
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    RHEL 9 is expected to be released this year, probably in May. That means it is also expected for AlmaLinux 9 and RockyLinux 9 to be released a few time later.

    I know AlmaLinux and RockyLinux have a long term support, but it's not better to skip version 8, and go for version 9 in 2024? The year Centos 7 is going EOL, and 2 years after RHEL 9 was release (it should be stable enough for that time).

    Diferences between 8 and 9 will be minimal.
     
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  5. buik

    buik “The best traveler is one without a camera.”

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    The difference between Enterprise Linux (EL) versions is always small.
    The learning curve is small, the impact low.

    After EL7 (systemd), little has changed.
    Often the software is updated.
    Then you can say, yes since EL8 you have APPstream.

    But APPstream was already available in EL7 with Software collections (SCL).
    Just a different name. Just a bit different approach.

    For example YUM update still works. While it has been requested by DNF for years.
     
  6. eva2000

    eva2000 Administrator Staff Member

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    I haven't even looked at EL9. EL8 had big changes to EL7 so that's where all the testing is being done. I'm hoping that EL8 to EL9 jump won't be as drastic so whatever I do on EL8 support will transfer to EL9. So getting EL7 to EL8 right is the best use of my time :)
     
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    Can't wait to test it :)
     
  9. eva2000

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    buik “The best traveler is one without a camera.”

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    As supported platform.
    It was already possible to install it on AlmaLinux because AlmaLinux is binary compatible with Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL), CentOS etc.
     
  11. buik

    buik “The best traveler is one without a camera.”

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    As discussed early last year. Both CERN and Fermilab organizations transitioned existing CentOS 8 based servers to CentOS Stream.

    On December 7th, 2022 it was announced that CERN and Fermilab would be providing AlmaLinux as the standard operating system.

     
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    buik “The best traveler is one without a camera.”

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    Hereby an update, about a year and a bit after CentOS 8 went end of life.
    At this moment: Rocky Linux seems to be significantly the bigger player compared to AlmaLinux.
    With even more active Enterprise Linux (EL) 8 and 9 servers than her own source: Red Hat's Enterprise Linux.

    Although I have not done any formal research and the chart site in question appears to be affiliated with Rocky Linux. The statistics are freely downloadable and thus verifiable in some way. Additionally; this is a single source, namely. Only the servers which retrieve updates from the Extra Packages for Enterprise Linux (EPEL) repository. Not every EL server uses EPEL. And/or logically updates from a public mirror.

    It does, however gives an interesting view of how the cards between all EL competitors are currently shuffled.

    Remarkable to see that there are still a tremendously large amount of CentOS 8 legacy systems that are still updating EPEL packages. But no longer able to receive CentOS 8 updates. As CentOS 8 has been end of life for over a year. There are lots of potential vulnerability bombs. Unless they are using aftermarket services that still support CentOS 8. It seems to me that that kind of aftermarket service only occurs in a uniqueness.

    A few words of caution:

     
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  13. eva2000

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    Interesting stats indeed. Curious how these would break down by geographical region, ASNs etc as well :)
     
  14. buik

    buik “The best traveler is one without a camera.”

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    Although not formally investigated. But there seems to be a kink in the AlmaLinux growth curve.
    After the conflict between Russia and Ukraine started. Since CloudLinux and AlmaLinux has strong ties to both Russia and Ukraine. A conflict of this magnitude is always sensitive. Especially if there is a link in terms of roots, personnel, etc. That does not help the PR.

    AlmaLinux is a foundation. Although it has received a serious bag of money from CloudLinux.

    The strange thing is, what I read more often in chats etc. that some potential users fear a CloudLinux/Red Hat scenario where CloudLinux, makes AlmaLinux paid, eventually.

    But that seems impossible to me since CloudLinux has no controlling right in the foundation.

    However. It seems that Rocky Linux is owned and controlled by one person only: Gregory Kurtzer and is a for-profit B-corp.

    I don't know if it's convenient when the absolute power is with one person only.
    Nice to see a club of volunteers being built around Rocky Linux. The fact that one person can determine everything is open source project based and history-wise proven to work bad.

    In fact. There is even a concrete example. In the same landscape, very close to Rocky Linux. And that is the fact that CentOS almost went down with a similar one man show case in the past.

    But with one person only who can determine everything. A Red Hat scenario at Rocky Linux would be, much easier to implement. Not logically that I am saying that will happen. So why is the emphasis so targeted on CloudLinux? Perhaps I think too much as a European and do not understand this mindset?

    But to conclude anyway. If you ask me. Both distros have their pros and cons. It is by no means decided yet who is and will be #1. The game has only just started.
     
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    buik “The best traveler is one without a camera.”

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    Because I have no connection with any Linux distribution whatsoever. And do have several RHEL subscriptions at my disposal. There is no interest or conflict or interest for me, in which EL fork distro will finally become the biggest and/or best known CentOS replacement. It makes no difference to me, after all.

    It seems as Gregory Kurtzer contradicts himself. He writes about that he backed away from CentOS partly because of the domain issue "from the actions of this bad actor". But when that problem manifested itself, he seems gone already. Given his name is no longer under the letter where they claim the domain to "resolve the issue" from "this bad actor".

    I am curious what "Red Hat legal's actions" and "personal legal risk" Red Hat was running against him? Since the other co-founders seems never bothered by this and CentOS ran without problems for years afterwards. There is no option to "a law suit" and "some of these individuals who didn't want to comply to Red Hat legal's actions". If you get sued. You have to. Simple as that.

    Back to the present tense.
    It seems that Rocky Linux is owned and controlled by one person only: Gregory Kurtzer and is a for-profit B-corp. Who says Gregory Kurtzer won't become a similar "bad actor" in the future? For example, if he gets divorced and in need of money.

    Same goes for AlmaLinux. CloudLinux provides staff (as can be seen in changelogs, git etc) and finance. What if CloudLinux pulls out? Then it seems done to me, too.

    So whether it is an individual with only rights at Rocky Linux or the competitor heavily dependent on a single company. Both a big risk if something happens. Because both are leaning on a single point of failure (Referring to the well-known phrase in IT lala land).

    By the way, this is logically not a fact. It is a suggestion on how things might have turned out. But I am not writing that it happened that way.

    Resources:

    Nice catch.
     
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  17. wmtech

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    If Alma dies you can switch to Rocky easily. And vice versa.
    So there is no problem currently and you can choose whatever you like.

    There only will be a possible problem if only one choice is left and that one dies. But even then, I assume, a new one will arise.
     
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    a little bit off-topic.
    With so much drama about Alma/Rocky, I've already switched 3 servers for big boards to Ubuntu LTS. :)
    It works great for several months now.

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    Probably not as fast as Centmin :)
     
  20. buik

    buik “The best traveler is one without a camera.”

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    Thats right. The first post of this topic, shows various flavors including the migration script option.
    With the latter, I do not entirely agree. I'm sure a replacement will step up but more importantly. Will this new potential kid on the block, last? It is an enormous amount of work. This is almost impossible to do these days. And especially not as a volunteer. Just like CentOS' old days.

    The first Enterprise Linux replacement. Navy Linux seems to be the first end of life, with no updates since last May, from the previous year.

    It has been discussed before. This is just the beginning. 10 years of support per release is a long time. Let's see how things stand in 4 years. After all, we are only 1 year and a little further along.

    Is this Serverpilot or equivalent?