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  1. buik

    buik “The best traveler is one without a camera.”

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    The Digitalocean server farm is getting old.
    For example the Amsterdam data centers are from 2012/2013.
    The same goes for the servers at Amsterdam.


    Got regular hardware failures the last year, something they obviously do not report with their status site.
    there is some global information. network down etc but nothing more.
     
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    Sunka Well-Known Member

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    Before I choose UpCloud, I take a look to their Status page, and very clean, without major problems in last year
     
  3. buik

    buik “The best traveler is one without a camera.”

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    Did you ever use Linode?
     
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    Sunka Well-Known Member

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    Nop.
    As I said, when was time to choose between Linode and DO, I go with DO because then Linode did not accept PayPal.
    I do not like feeling I have about Linode, intuition, They doubled ram for same price, but not because their birthday, but because people get mad because DDos and many of them leave.
    It is pure economic step.
     
  5. buik

    buik “The best traveler is one without a camera.”

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    is this your opinion? or do you have connections with the Linode management?
     
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    Sunka Well-Known Member

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    Just my thinking.
    If you look bigger picture it is clear that time of raising is connected with post-DDos people arguing.
     
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    eva2000 Administrator Staff Member

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    @Sunka yeah DDOS attacks at Linode are problematic - Linode is good enough for me to wait and see how their network connectivity and DDOS protection on their network evolves though.

    Indeed DigitalOcean's hardware is pretty old now and low clock cpus don't help.
     
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    buik “The best traveler is one without a camera.”

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    Every low-end vps provider does not provide worthy provide ddos protection. For example vultr, also null routing your server if the attack is to heavy or to long.
     
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    eva2000 Administrator Staff Member

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    depends BuyVM.net has one of the better DDOS mitigations for lowend VPS which is what I'd be switching to eventually. Benchmarks at BuyVM.net - BuyVM.net New KVM Plans on Intel Xeon E3-1270v3 Host Nodes! | Centmin Mod Community

    But yeah one of my NJ Vultr VPS in my centminmod.com cluster has had ddos null routes a few times, so my site auto switches to another NY region VPS, if they goes down, auto switches to my London region VPS and so forth - there's 16 active with 12-16 fallback VPSes in the cluster across many geographic locations :)

    Cloudflare Traffic Manager once out of beta will strengthen such geo cluster setups WebPerf - Cloudflare Traffic Control & Traffic Manager | Centmin Mod Community :)
     
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  10. buik

    buik “The best traveler is one without a camera.”

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    pff 32 servers for 1 forum. Is that necessary? :)
     
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    It's for non-forum site at centminmod.com some are just 128-512MB VPSes. It's an exercise to see what I can do and some were left over from previous centminmod.com cluster which considered of haproxy load balanced with 4x haproxy load balance failovers across a cluster of vpses. Probably won't need anywhere as much in cluster with Cloudflare Traffic Manager eventually :)
     
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    was the resize and backup snapshots with near empty vps or full loaded data restored ? how much disk space was already in use at time of resize/snapshots?
     
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    I use 50GB of disk (it is 100GB disk). Taking backup takes about 3 seconds.

    I can not belive it, so I asked in mail is that backup real backup?
    But, you have to pay for all disk, no matter how much disk is full. So every time it is 1:1 copy of your disk.

    Interesting thing is installing own server image, so you can on VMware or something else instal centmin, kernel, distors... make all tweaks and upload that image to UpCloud and install new server with this image
     
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    London upCloud is reporting Harlow, close enough, closer than some 'london' airports ;)
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    Between London and germany over 'private' network I'm seeing a 20ms avg ping and 2ms out to 8.8.8.8, linode 1.8ms.

    I'm in the camp of linode at the moment is good enough, but I'm definitely hunting. Support has been spot on, fast and helpfull, almost human like :). Often they have sorted the problem before I discover an issue.

    I'm a lone wolf, self employed developer who likes to go climbing and soloing at that. I don't want, nor carry my phone on some days.

    So for the moment, linode is still my default real production provider. I've also used digital ocean for secondary sites, those that if they are down. For everything else, it's on a paas, more so if the client does not have hosting budget, because they see web hosting from godaddy for 99p :rage:.

    For the last year or so I've been looking for a cost effective hosting site that comprises ( no order ):
    UK>EU owned.
    Multiple DCs> One good site.
    Virtual > Colo
    Private Networking/Firewall appliance.
    24/7 responsive support.
    Optionally managed services.

    Cost isn't on there, because if it's right, then it should be paying for it'self, somehow.

    My logic for sticking on virtual vs trundling off to OVH et al, is, if the baremetal flutters, they ( provider ) know about it and will fix it sooner than I could on my own baremetal ( Got that t-shirt; zfs on solaris, superb, unless your provider jimmy's offspec drives in ).

    Again, not sure how I stumbled upon upcloud, but the European owned, multiple DC, private network makes life a bit easier on some counts. A niche player might also alleviate ( falsely ) some network traffic challenges.

    The problem before HA is the old chesnut, cost. I could do with a 20Gb ish db box, and that isn't the cheapest of things to copy around for a bit of peace of mind...

    So the problem is, doubling up (HA)x2dc isn't economic, comforting but not economic for most, unless you don't want your phone to ring when you're 400' up a rock face :D. So I want a solid, on the ball co.

    If linode pull through on the network upgrades I'll be back to 3/4 nines. It is, would be, nice to have a grand stack all there, tolerant etc, should I break a leg tomorrow. That said a single 'box' is still the easiest to deploy per php project. I don't really do php though and ftp'ing code makes me cry. :kiss: for centminmod then :)

    So my risk profile has softened, and for 'virtual' hosts, more so. I like to establish the impact of noisy neighbours or physical host issues on potential downtimes. Not done anywhere like enough testing on upCloud to form a view yet. Although resizing appears to migrate hosts almost seamlessly, supporting some confidence if a physical host had a problem, we'd not really see much of it up top. So my gut is telling me, keep going, you might like it!

    The only sticking point and as eluded to above is ram. $ for $, ram is better on linode. For php stuff, I don't need much ram. But a ruby web app can easily gobble up 500+ on boot for a single threaded process and leak like a sieve..so more is always nice.

    If I can make upCloud work, and after a month my test instance hasn't gone walkabout, I'll be happier.

    I'll be happier when we can deploy our front end code to global cdn's and only have to worry about our api service :) Don't think XF or IPB are there yet! :peeking: Not quite signed up to serverless architectures, lambdas and all that... feels like I'm writing my own epitaph if I encourage that malarky.
     
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    interesting :)

    nice those are very decent ping times :)
     
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    I'll wait for the Asia Location :)
     
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    Here you go ;)
    UpCloud new region - Singapore

    Introducing SG-SIN1: Singapore Data center

     
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    i use theme from long time now without problem and support is good, datacenter interested me in Germany and Netherlands because eu hosting and they have more planing in the future.
     
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    buik “The best traveler is one without a camera.”

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    After i found out that Upcloud is available in Amsterdam.
    Thanks again to @hardousse.
    I created a few small servers last Saturday.

    Ok they are not cheap and will probably not participate in the price war.
    (Race to the bottom: Linode, Vultr etc.)

    Somehow I got the feeling that they deserve it.

    Finally, does anyone know what their Amsterdam datacenter is?
    I have a suspicion. But that's all.
     
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    yes they are not cheap specially for us eu customer we must pay 25%vat but i think its worth, you get for what you pay.
    about datacenter in Amsterdam they use AMS-IX (Amsterdam internet exchange )