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  1. Oct 25, 2022 #1
    eva2000

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    Just got an email from Upcloud.com regarding new VPS server plans and more changes outlined at https://upcloud.com/blog/new-cloud-server-plans-improvements-pricing-adjustments.

     
  2. Oct 26, 2022 #2
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    Maybe they can fix the oversell memory topic first.
    When you deploy Upcloud's 1GB VPS you only get 800+ MB of (RAM) working memory.
    With an Upcloud 2 GB VPS, 1.8 GB of working memory etc etc
    (And yes services like Kdump and grub crashkernel=auto are removed).

    After all, you can easily review this with the output of cat /proc/meminfo.
    Concluding that the proper amount of memory (which is advertised) is not being allocated to the VPS server.

    Finally, you cannot just reinstall a server at Upcloud.
    But you have to secure your IP address by creating an identical 2nd server, restore data (Detach and re-Attach disk), delete the temporary server, delete the old storage device enz.

    Really far too cumbersome when you need to act quickly or want to test various testing scenarios.
     
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  3. Oct 26, 2022 #3
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    Indeed. Have you actually asked Upcloud what's up with that?

    Yes one of the pain points I had with Upcloud. Wasn't too concerned with the IP address being the same, just being able to conveniently reinstall OS to run another Centmin Mod test.

    But then I discovered Terraform and I can see why Upcloud hasn't paid much attention to OS reinstalls (they should though) as with Terraform is very easy to spin up Upcloud VPS server and destroy it and recreate a VPS for testing at least. Haven't looked at whether I can use Terraform to retain the existing IP address.

    I now use Upcloud's Terraform provider to do automated Centmin Mod install/reinstall testing for CentOS 7, Almalinux/Rocky Linux 8 and 9. You can see an example at https://github.com/centminmod/upcloud-terraform which I just updated to support the new Upcloud High CPU/MEM VPS plans as well as they now have native out of the box AlmaLinux 9 and Rocky Linux 9 OS images https://github.com/centminmod/upcloud-terraform#os-template-storage-uuid :)

    My terraform_cmm.sh wrapper script :cool:

    It allows me to easily automate:
    1. Upcloud VPS server creation, recreation of virgin CentOS 7, Almalinux/Rocky Linux 8 and 9 OS servers or
    2. automate Centmin Mod install on them
    3. run my sysbench.sh script for sysbench benchmarking Upcloud server plans
    4. and even spin up Upcloud pre-installed Centmin Mod OS images that have been cloned - so I can spin up a new Centmin Mod install in less than 2-4 minutes :D
    5. and also run my build custom RPM script and YUM repos for planned packages I'm testing out :)
    Code (Text):
    ./terraform_cmm.sh

Usage:

Fresh OS Only

./terraform_cmm.sh el7 plan host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after
./terraform_cmm.sh el7 apply host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after
./terraform_cmm.sh el8 plan host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after
./terraform_cmm.sh el8 apply host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after
./terraform_cmm.sh el9 plan host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after
./terraform_cmm.sh el9 apply host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after

RockyLinux 8

./terraform_cmm.sh el8-rocky8 plan host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after
./terraform_cmm.sh el8-rocky8 apply host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after

RockyLinux 9

./terraform_cmm.sh el9-rocky9 plan host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after
./terraform_cmm.sh el9-rocky9 apply host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after
./terraform_cmm.sh el9-rocky9-sysbench plan host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after
./terraform_cmm.sh el9-rocky9-sysbench apply host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after

Fresh OS Only + sysbench

./terraform_cmm.sh el7-sysbench plan host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after
./terraform_cmm.sh el7-sysbench apply host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after
./terraform_cmm.sh el8-sysbench plan host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after
./terraform_cmm.sh el8-sysbench apply host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after
./terraform_cmm.sh el9-sysbench plan host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after
./terraform_cmm.sh el9-sysbench apply host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after

Launch Pre-Built Centmin Mod Installation
No current custom images available...

./terraform_cmm.sh el7-cmm plan host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after
./terraform_cmm.sh el7-cmm apply host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after
./terraform_cmm.sh el8-cmm plan host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after
./terraform_cmm.sh el8-cmm apply host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after
./terraform_cmm.sh el9-cmm plan host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after
./terraform_cmm.sh el9-cmm apply host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after

Install Centmin Mod

./terraform_cmm.sh el7-cmm-install plan host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after
./terraform_cmm.sh el7-cmm-install apply host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after
./terraform_cmm.sh el8-cmm-install plan host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after
./terraform_cmm.sh el8-cmm-install apply host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after
./terraform_cmm.sh el8-cmm-install-rocky plan host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after
./terraform_cmm.sh el8-cmm-install-rocky apply host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after
./terraform_cmm.sh el9-cmm-install plan host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after
./terraform_cmm.sh el9-cmm-install apply host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after
./terraform_cmm.sh el9-cmm-install-rocky plan host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after
./terraform_cmm.sh el9-cmm-install-rocky apply host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after

Install Centmin Mod with Appstream MariaDB 10.3 For EL8

./terraform_cmm.sh el8-cmm-install-appstream plan host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after
./terraform_cmm.sh el8-cmm-install-appstream apply host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after
./terraform_cmm.sh el8-cmm-install-rocky-appstream plan host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after
./terraform_cmm.sh el8-cmm-install-rocky-appstream apply host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after

Install Centmin Mod + Build RPMs

./terraform_cmm.sh el7-cmm-install-buildrpms plan host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after
./terraform_cmm.sh el7-cmm-install-buildrpms apply host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after
./terraform_cmm.sh el8-cmm-install-buildrpms plan host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after
./terraform_cmm.sh el8-cmm-install-buildrpms apply host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after
./terraform_cmm.sh el8-cmm-install-buildrpms-rocky plan host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after
./terraform_cmm.sh el8-cmm-install-buildrpms-rocky apply host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after
./terraform_cmm.sh el9-cmm-install-buildrpms plan host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after
./terraform_cmm.sh el9-cmm-install-buildrpms apply host.domain.com 40USD destroy-after
     
  4. Oct 26, 2022 #4
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    Pricing 2023 - UpCloud

    Upcloud General Purpose plans price increase by 2023

    1GB: An increase from $5 to 7E
    2GB: An increase from $10 to 13E
    4GB: An increase from $20 to 26E
     
  5. Oct 26, 2022 #5
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    Yeah the prices did go up - probably because Upcloud's footprint is mainly heavy in Europe so electricity/power prices?

    For me
    • USD to AUD prices = 10.00 US Dollars = 15.651082 Australian Dollars
    • EURO to AUD prices = 13.00 Euros = 20.271753 Australian Dollars
     
  6. Oct 26, 2022 #6
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    EU Natural Gas - 2022 Data - 2010-2021 Historical - 2023 Forecast - Price - Quote (tradingeconomics.com)

    Probably short-term business management. With short-term energy contracts.
    But why should the customer suffer?
    They also don't screw the price down when energy is cheap or cheaper.
    To name a few. 1 year ago, 2 years ago etc.

    The price of gas, for example, has been back to last year's price for a while now.
    The price before the Russia/Ukraine conflict.

    You often see that war, corona (chip shortage) etc is an excuse to be able to drive up the price. Because most customers are not going to complain anyway because they are respectful. The question is whether the companies really suffer. With good management vision and long-term contracts. There is little to worry about. The only problem currently in ICT. Finding high-quality staff.
     
  7. Oct 26, 2022 #7
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    Yeah don't know Upcloud's planning but it would make more sense to add that buffer from increased prices, especially if you are planning more data center locations in the future but don't have those specific contracts locked in yet. But disappointed Upcloud sneaked those prices in without mentioning it specifically and just addressed it as a benefit to customers
    Still I don't expect Upcloud will be last web host provider to raise prices or announce such before the end of 2022
     
  8. Oct 26, 2022 #8
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    Yup, "three vital advantages" is obviously not an advantage under no circumstances, and certainly not three vital advantages. With 30% price increase as the 4GB model is going up from $20 to 26E. Giving the fact that 1E is 0,997$ as of this moment. And so is almost equal at purchase.

    I don't know what law this Upcloud price increase falls under. But this is prohibited in Belgium anyway. Where it is mandatory to tell users the old and new price in the same mail or letter. Also with a mandatory option to cancel. Although the latter does not apply, I suspect. Since it is about server rental per hour and no subscription for a server rental.

     
  9. Oct 27, 2022 #9
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    US and European cloud prices set to soar in 2023

     
  10. Oct 27, 2022 #10
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    Yeah the costs of doing business are going up!
     
  11. Oct 27, 2022 #11
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    Not entirely agree. The higher costs are mainly due to high inflation of 11,27 % in Belgium (where I am living) and other parts of the European union. These are largely to do with mismanagement. And the frustrating thing is that most of the executives are precisely those who were not democratically elected.
     
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