MariaDB MySQL 8 vs MariaDB 10.11

elargento · Jul 18, 2023

I'd love to see some comparison between both, most at all in XenForo forums

Can anyone can share a link or more info?

I've just found the upgrade is not possible from MySQL 8 to MariaDB 10.x:
Incompatibilities and Feature Differences Between MariaDB 10.5 and MySQL 8.0

elargento · Jul 18, 2023

Maybe not a good idea to choose MariaDB?
After job cuts, MariaDB faces uncertain financial future

rdan · Jul 18, 2023

My servers are running 2 MariaDB version only:
- MariaDB 10.3.x for CMM based
- MariaDB 10.6.x for Ubuntu 22.04 based

eva2000 · Jul 18, 2023

elargento said: ↑

I'd love to see some comparison between both, most at all in XenForo forums

Can anyone can share a link or more info?

I've just found the upgrade is not possible from MySQL 8 to MariaDB 10.x:
Incompatibilities and Feature Differences Between MariaDB 10.5 and MySQL 8.0
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I've discussed this before how MariaDB 10.4+ starting more away from drop in Oracle MySQL compatible at https://community.centminmod.com/threads/interesting-look-at-whats-new-in-mariadb-10-4.17676/

And you can see other version comparisons at Compatibility & Differences. But these differences may not apply to your MySQL usage, it all depends on your MySQL usage with your web apps specifically and how those web app's use/store MySQL data. Generally, MariaDB 10.3 was very close to Oracle/Percona MySQL 5.7 and MariaDB 10.3 serves as good version where you possibly migrate to Percona/Oracle MySQL 5.7 or 8.0. After MariaDB 10.4+ is where MariaDB diverges from Oracle/Percona MySQL 8.0.

Centmin Mod has only ever defaulted to MariaDB versions of MySQL. So you shouldn't have any issues if you keep intending to use MariaDB. For Centmin Mod 130.00beta01 and EL8/EL9 developments they outline default versions at https://community.centminmod.com/th...tos-8-compatibility-worklog.18372/#post-94587
eva2000 said: ↑
Updated EL8 compatibility for Centmin Mod due to switching EL8 MariaDB 10.3 to EL8 native Appstream module provided version.

Centmin Mod EL8 installs will default to GCC 11.2 for compilation routines instead of the current Centmin Mod 130.00beta01 default for GCC 10.2 and EL8 system default GCC 8.5

Centmin Mod EL8 installs will default to PHP 8.0.x installation (PHP-FPM)

Centmin Mod EL8 installs as of September 27, 2022, onwards (in private beta testing), will switch from the official MariaDB YUM repo provided MariaDB 10.3 which has support ending May 2023 to the native EL8 Appstream module provided MariaDB 10.3 version which has extended support until May 2029

Note that native EL8 Appstream MariaDB 10.3's YUM package names are different from the official MariaDB YUM repo's YUM package names.

EL8 Appstream MariaDB 10.3's YUM package name
Code (Text):
rpm -qa mariadb*
mariadb-server-utils-10.3.35-1.module_el8.6.0+3265+230ed96b.x86_64
mariadb-connector-c-3.1.11-2.el8_3.x86_64
mariadb-errmsg-10.3.35-1.module_el8.6.0+3265+230ed96b.x86_64
mariadb-server-10.3.35-1.module_el8.6.0+3265+230ed96b.x86_64
mariadb-backup-10.3.35-1.module_el8.6.0+3265+230ed96b.x86_64
mariadb-10.3.35-1.module_el8.6.0+3265+230ed96b.x86_64
mariadb-gssapi-server-10.3.35-1.module_el8.6.0+3265+230ed96b.x86_64
mariadb-connector-c-config-3.1.11-2.el8_3.noarch
mariadb-common-10.3.35-1.module_el8.6.0+3265+230ed96b.x86_64
official MariaDB YUM repo's YUM package names
Code (Text):
rpm -qa MariaDB*
MariaDB-devel-10.3.36-1.el8.x86_64
MariaDB-shared-10.3.36-1.el8.x86_64
MariaDB-server-10.3.36-1.el8.x86_64
MariaDB-client-10.3.36-1.el8.x86_64
MariaDB-common-10.3.36-1.el8.x86_64
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elargento said: ↑

Maybe not a good idea to choose MariaDB?
After job cuts, MariaDB faces uncertain financial future
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Wow that's first I heard of this news, so will need to source more news articles on this but if true.

In addition to laying off 26 staffers out of its 340-strong workforce in February, the company warns that revenue won't be enough to support operations for the next 12 months, and is looking for financing.
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Though their numbers aren't that bad with 90% growth year-over-year for cloud subscription revenues.

And though expenses are forecast to rise, MariaDB sees positive trends, including a 90% growth year-over-year for cloud-related subscription revenue and a recent, multiyear, $34 million contract, both reported in its first earnings report as a public company. The $122 million they raised in the process to go public, a move taken at a tough time for IPOs, can also be seen as a sign of confidence in its business model.

Meanwhile, the company says it is looking to raise investment and capital through several different instruments.

“We are currently seeking additional capital to meet our projected working capital, operating, and debt repayment needs for periods after September 30, 2023,” the company wrote in the prospectus filed with the SEC.

MariaDB has about 700 customers, according to data from B2B market information 6Sense.
MariaDB, according to 6Sense, has a 2.15% share of the relational database makret category. The larger rivals are MySQL, Oracle Database and PostgreSQL.

Last month, the company announced the release of its managed database-as-a-service (DBaaS) SkySQL that included new features such as serverless analytics.
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eva2000 · Jul 18, 2023

MariaDB one month after that article reporting Q2 2023 financials MariaDB Announces Second Quarter Fiscal 2023 Financial Results

The transformation of our business to the cloud is accelerating, reaching 101% year-over-year growth in cloud-related subscription revenue, up from 90% last quarter,” said Michael Howard, CEO at MariaDB plc. “Revenue increased 20% year-over-year, a result of our differentiated product offerings, continued innovation and the value we bring to our customers. This is only the beginning, as we expand our cloud database products to broaden the target audience
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Revenue: Total revenue was $13.5 million for the second quarter of fiscal 2023, an increase of 26% year-over-year, or 20% year-over-year after adjusting for out of period corrections. Cloud-related subscription revenue grew 101% year-over-year, after out of period corrections.

Annual recurring revenue (ARR): Total ARR as of March 31, 2023 was $52.9 million, an increase of 12% year-over-year.

Gross profit: Gross profit was $10.3 million for the second quarter of fiscal 2023, representing a 76.1% gross margin compared to 70.5% in the year-ago period.

Loss from operations: Loss from operations was $13.0 million for the second quarter of fiscal 2023, compared to a loss of $10.4 million in the year-ago period.

Net loss: Net loss was $11.9 million, or $0.18 per share. This compares to a net loss of $14.5 million, or $1.05 per share.

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Business Highlights

Conor McCarthy joined MariaDB as CFO effective April 10, bringing over 30 years of experience leading finance organizations at high-growth companies and significant experience scaling SaaS businesses.

The company released a new version of SkySQL, a second generation cloud database, in March. This release exemplifies MariaDB’s leadership as a price point disruptor, adding functionality for customers to control cloud costs.

In April, SkySQL added a new option to monitor MariaDB community databases anywhere. Given the size of the MariaDB ecosystem, with over 1 billion software downloads, this represents a very meaningful opportunity.

MariaDB SkySQL won the prestigious DEVIES award validating MariaDB’s strategy to give developers more productivity through automation and cloud-native technology.

In February MariaDB released a new version of its distributed SQL database Xpand, adding differentiated features that result in uninterrupted scale and resilience. This version of Xpand is also available in SkySQL with automation to handle changes in demand automatically.

Xpand won a Gold Stevie® award in the 2023 American Business Awards® recognized for its high availability and flexibility.

Cash and cash equivalents at the end of April were $21.1 million.

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Looking at their P/L statements, their gross profits increased, but their general administrative costs + sales and marketing costs increased more. Hence staff cutting I guess.

Database company MariaDB makes cuts to headcount

Nonetheless, through its D-round funding combined with the SPAC flotation (called a de-SPAC in financial jargon) the company raised $120 million cash: "More than we had in the history of MariaDB," Aman said.

The company was in the process of raising capital to continue operating beyond September, Aman said, but he was unable to go into detail owing to a regulator "quiet period" prior to its forthcoming quarterly results.
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eva2000 · Jul 18, 2023

Though I think commercial MariaDB Corporation is different from MariaDB Foundation which manages the open source MariaDB version? https://mariadb.org/finances/

https://mariadb.org/about/

The MariaDB Foundation is the global contact point for collaboration on MariaDB Server.

The Foundation is non-profit incorporated in Delaware, USA. and is funded by corporate and individual sponsors.

The Foundation’s staff supports MariaDB Server by:

Encouraging adoption, contribution and distribution of MariaDB Server and related open source software.

Helping new contributors understand the source code and lowering the barrier for new participants.

Participating in the design of new features, ensuring the code quality and maintainability of the codebase while the number of contributors is growing.

Making sure documentation keeps up with the development of new features.

Porting and packaging MariaDB Server to different platforms and operating systems to keep it as widely available as possible.

Speaking at events and driving adoption.

Details about the Foundation’s principles, operation and the board of directors are available on the Governance page. More information regarding board meeting minutes can be found here.

While the Foundation’s staff do work on the code base and develop MariaDB Server to some extent, the mission of the Foundation is not to develop MariaDB Server as much as possible, but to empower a large as possible community to be successful in collaborative MariaDB Server development.
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buik · Jul 18, 2023

eva2000 said: ↑

Though I think commercial MariaDB Corporation is different from MariaDB Foundation which manages the open source MariaDB version?
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Exactly, but well-connected to each other. The company is the foundation's largest sponsor.
And the company uses the foundation's software of course.
Where both company as well as the foundation have made losses more often.

Enterprise Database consulting based on open-source software is a tricky market.
A bit like the CentOS story. Why pay MariaDB the company, when you can download both binaries and the source code and thus your own experts can find out all the ins and outs, by themselves. Or new colleagues being trained as experts.

Disney, Toyota, and Verizon are big guys, were on CentOS and probably never sent a single penny to Red Hat. Why? Because there's no need. They'll take care of it themselves.

Exactly with MariaDB, I do not know of any company or even a colleague in the field, who has paid a penny to MariaDB the company.

buik · Jul 18, 2023

MariaDB Announces Second Quarter Fiscal 2023 Financial Results | Business Wire

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Btw, seems they try to polish numbers by stating that the market is picking up year-over-year.
With an overall, total revenue of $13.5 million, with a net loss of $11.9 million.
As a company, you're just doing very poorly.

eva2000 · Jul 18, 2023

buik said: ↑

Enterprise Database consulting based on open-source software is a tricky market.
A bit like the CentOS story. Why pay MariaDB the company, when you can download both binaries and the source code and thus your own experts can find out all the ins and outs, by themselves. Or new colleagues being trained as experts.

Disney, Toyota, and Verizon are big guys, were on CentOS and probably never sent a single penny to Red Hat. Why? Because there's no need. They'll take care of it themselves.

Exactly with MariaDB, I do not know of any company or even a colleague in the field, who has paid a penny to MariaDB the company.
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Yeah similar parallels for MariaDB and RHEL. Though from what I see commercial support contracts seem to be better business wise on Oracle and Percona MySQL than MariaDB. And from MariaDB Foundation numbers still the biggest expense is staff at 1 million /1.212 million Euros of total cost!

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