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Is Centmin ready to be rolled out on Linux 8/9?

Discussion in 'AlmaLinux 8 & Rocky Linux 8 Beta Testing' started by Simon Brown, Apr 5, 2024.

  1. Simon Brown

    Simon Brown Member

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    Sorry if this has already been answered, I couldn't find anything while searching the forum.

    For years I've used the beta version of Centmin for production using Centos 7 with pretty much no issues... I'm even using MariaDB 10.6.16.

    I've just been told by my server hosting company that they'll stop supporting Centos 7 by the end of this year. This means in the not too distant future I'll need to spin-up another server and migrate all my sites, configs and DBs which I'm not looking forward to.


    What state is the current Centmin Beta?
    Is it stable enough to deploy to a production server, or is there waaaay too many bugs?

    I appreciate there are many variables in answering these questions, like, " It depends what I'm using the server for," but for general website hosting, will Centmin work on Linux 8/9? Is it secure?

    I appreciate all you're doing, Centmin is awesome!
     
  2. buik

    buik “The best traveler is one without a camera.”

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    Ready to be rolled out on Enterprise Linux 8. Enterprise Linux 9 is not ready yet.
    As CentOS 7 is almost end of life and 7 based users, should slowly work toward a CentOS alternative.

    My advice do not choose AlmaLinux. Since for a while it is not a 1:1 copy of Red Hat Enterprise Linux anymore, and uses beta software sources from Stream.
     
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    Thank yu so much for your reply...
    Would you recommend a flavour of Linux 8?
     
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    buik “The best traveler is one without a camera.”

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    Rocky Linux. In my opinion, it represents exactly what CMM stands for. A stable 1:1 copy of Red Hat Enterprise Linux as OS base, with cutting edge components where it's all about speed: Nginx, PHP...
     
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    Thank you both for the replies... I know nothing about either AlmaLinux or Rocky.
    I'll look into them, but I just want the one that's the most compatible with Cenmin and most likely to be supported for the next few years.

    If Eva2000 is inclined towards AlmaLinux 8, I'll likely go with that.
     
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    Alma or Rocky. It's a matter of preference...
     
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    That was yesterday, when Alma and Rocky was the same software.

    Today there is a choice you should make wisely.

    Choose Rocky if you want to use a 1:1 copy from RedHat Enterprise (just like it was with CentOS) founded by the same person who founded CentOS. You basically get that enterprise OS for free just like before with CentOS.

    Choose Alma if you want an independent and free distro from the CloudLinux maintainers. CloudLinux is also a popular commercial distribution used by many hosting providers.

    You can also continue to use CentOS if you want to use a beta version of RedHat.
     
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    buik “The best traveler is one without a camera.”

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    AlmaLinux is still 'dependent' on Red Hat. No longer on Red Hat Enterprise Linux (RHEL) resources, but on CentOS Stream. Not to mention from the same company. That's why I don't understand the move of AlmaLinux from RHEL to Stream sources. RHEL resources are still available through OpenELA and can be synchronized via Git without registration or account. Finally, you should not want to use beta software on your production servers. AlmaLinux pops in 0 day code like it's a playground. If you still want 0day then Kpatch or Kernelcare already existed.
     
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    Is there a roadmap when its officially supported for Alma/Rocky 8? And also any possible roadmap for 9 as well? are there any financial incentives we can offer to support version 9 faster?
     
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    8 is the default nowadays. 9 is not ready yet.
     
  12. eva2000

    eva2000 Administrator Staff Member

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    Unofficial roadmap https://community.centminmod.com/threads/centmin-mod-el8-roadmap-for-2023-2024.24290/. EL8 support is pretty solid even in beta. EL9 just needs more testing but pretty solid now. Testing really means for edge cases and unknown usage cases/changes to software and configurations which just take time - which partially has to be taken up with paid client work to keep the lights on.

    There are ways to help financially https://community.centminmod.com/threads/ways-to-support-centmin-mod.11435/ though I'd still need to do paid work unless Centmin Mod can bring in 5 figure $$$$$ monthly income then I would be able to work on Centmin Mod full time and development would be much faster

    The automated testing for EL8 & EL9 has sped development up https://community.centminmod.com/th...malinux-vs-rocky-linux-vs-oracle-linux.24179/ :)

    Right now I am busy doing paid $$$$ client work for CentOS 7 to AlmaLinux or Rocky Linux migrations for Centmin Mod and non-Centmin Mod users. Some of these are for Centmin Mod EL9 operating system too. So far so good.
     
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    I don't think you understand how it works. AlmaLinux is just as compatible with RHEL as Rocky. The "1:1" and "bug for bug" claims were always BS.

    We want to work with upstreams (RHEL) not fight them. Rocky is doing everyone a disservice with their approach. OpenELA is a joke...just a bunch of for-profit companies trying to hide behind a non-profit so they don't get sued.

    We at Alma do not pop in 0 day code, everything is thoroughly tested.

    Get your facts straight and stop drinking Greg kool-aid. Also he's not the founder of CentOS. That's all a sham propped up by a single blog post that he tricked a very nice guy into posting years ago.
     
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    buik “The best traveler is one without a camera.”

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    'Joke', 'stop drinking Greg kool-aid', 'disservice' 'sham' etc etc. Are you seriously a delegate or is this a troll account? Where the truth may lie, you come across as very disrespectful and arrogant.
     
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    Remember folks to play nice we can always agree to disagree.
     
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    buik “The best traveler is one without a camera.”

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    Fine, tell him. I won't be ticked off here. Again regardless of whether I am correct or not.
     
  17. Andy

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    I paid George to migrate my centos 7 to Almalinux a few months ago.
    It works well.
     
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    buik “The best traveler is one without a camera.”

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    Oh so that was bulls*, and I don't know how it works? It was written on the AlmaLinux website at the time. And apparently you don't even know what was written on the website of the organization you're with. Just still to be found in the web archive. By the way, you also quote bug for bug but I didn't write that. You're making that up on the spot. Albeit 'AlmaLinux is just as compatible with RHEL as Rocky.' is not correct. AlmaLinux for example is compatible with older hardware since 9.4. RHEL and Rocky isn't compatible with....and that old stuff is even disabled.

    Aha. And if you or 'we' don't want to fight with them? Are you always as kind to them as you are now to me? About suing, is that's why you guys use the source of EuroLinux, as example, so that they get sued and AlmaLinux get out of harm's way. Do I understand that correctly? Joke and other tough talk without facts is of little use to me.

    Where did I write about the founder in this topic? You're making that up on the spot again and again. I would say go take a course in being nice. Oh yeah 'and stop drinking Greg kool-aid', thanks for the advice. Kool-Aid is not available in Belgium. I would recommend you to get your facts straight without excuses like joke, bulls* and all the crap. Oh and hee please lay off the vodka for the next little while, you are reading and quoting things which I simply didn't write in this topic. Have a nice day!
     
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