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Discussion in 'Feature Requests & Suggestions' started by pamamolf, Feb 28, 2016.

  1. buik

    buik Well-Known Member

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    Cpanel quickly costs at least $15,
    and thats of course for the software only.
    Per VPS server. Per month.

    An option could be your own mail server + Centminmod.
    A few $ and you are ready to rock.
     
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    Depends on the maths i.e. Google Gsuite is like US$50/user/yr so if you have 10 domains and each domain requires 10 separate @domain user accounts = 100 user accounts = US$5,000 per year. If you used Google Gsuite domain alias for those 10 domains but still require 10 user accounts = US$500/yr. Compared to maybe a US$20/month VPS + cpanel/WHM $15/month license = US$35/month or US$420/yr. Of course cost of cpanel/WHM based VPS server depends on how much disk, cpu and memory resources you require and for proper malware/anti-virus mail scanning you can expect those required resources to be much higher than low end VPS would provide.

    But yes if you know how to setup your own mail server from scratch, then you can setup a separate dedicated mail server and not using cpanel/WHM.

    For anyone thinking about setting up their own mail servers, here's Tecmint 5 part article on setting up your @domain.com emails on CentOS 7 below. Just read it to get an idea of what's actually involved for the basics.

    But part of their steps assume Apache web server instead of Nginx i.e. for phpmyadmin (centmin mod has it's own phpmyadmin.sh addon installer) and use of firewalld instead of Centmin Mod's CSF Firewall (which already setup proper whitelisted ports). But most of the email site setup is applicable. For properly postfix @domain handling you need to utilise MySQL, anti-virus/malware scanner and implement anti-spam management = all these can increase server resource usage dramatically. Virus scanning can blow out to an extra 4-8GB of memory and alot more cpu usage and local email disk storage will increase.
     
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    Agree. Although it is obviously a main reason to run your own mail server.
    And that is no use of Google or Microsoft with family mail.

    I don't want family mail on Office 365 or Gapps.
    Business is another kind of sport.

    But of course there are also business users who don't want to use cloud based Office 365 or Gapps.
     
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    For me personally, email reliability, uptime and security are very important. Think about it, every social media account, domain registrar account, web hosting account, and web hosting related services use email for registration, loss password recovery, notifications etc. Hacking via social engineering or hacking email accounts to get to your web hosting related services and domain registrar services is common too. So I don't mind paying for Google Gsuite even for personal emails/non-business emails. In this day and age, why risk the integrity and security of your emails ?
     
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    Gsuite is a bit expensive for the whole family.
    Also cousins. Uncles and aunts.
     
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    eva2000 Administrator Staff Member

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    Yeah tricky and expensive so finding alternatives that are less expensive but still have security, uptime and reliability criteria. Really need to revisit and update discussions at Email - Free @yourdomain.com Email Accounts & Alternatives

    Though the way I see if, not all my family members are internet/email security savy beyond general usage. So likelihood of relatives email accounts being compromised is potentially higher still. Those family members may use that email for important/business or other services not knowing any better.
     
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    buik Well-Known Member

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    Never compromised.
    Not using it for other than family stuff.

    The reason to start this was simple. When you change your provider, you lose your e-mail address. It takes a lot of time and effort when everyone finds you again. At the new address.

    At the time Gmail was a beta product.
    Hotmail was not used often here.

    Maybe it is country different but almost everyone here, used the address of the provider.
    In those days.

    Now that you have recently seen what Facebook <>
    Cambridge Analytica does with your data.
    Microsoft and Google probably do the same with consumer data.
     
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    Yeah true. Though with internet related hosting services a level of trust is still needed even if you have a self-hosted dedicated mail server - you still have to put some level of trust in your web host provider too.

    But bringing it back to the point re: centmin mod hosted domains @domain email hosting. It's more about level competency as to how well you configure and secure your own self hosted mail server versus what folks like Google Gsuite/Microsoft can provide for their @domain email hosting services. Not to mention high availability and uptime of the mail servers compared to self-hosted @domain email hosting. How competent are you in moving and migrating email server/data to a different web host if needed if you opt for self-hosted route ? Can you afford @domain email servers to have downtime ?

    In the context of Centmin Mod users who generally don't know how to setup/configure their own @domain mail server, such tasks are out of the question and as stated, I wouldn't be providing free support for such either.
     
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    We can talk about it for hours.:)
    Fact is that Centminmod has no mail module.
    And will not have a mail module in the near feature.
     
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    Did anyone ever think that they WEREN'T doing that with our/your data?
     
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    Lots of them. Many relatives here stopped with Facebook. Only after discovering the tv news that Facebook sold data to Cambridge Analytica. Including their phone call data, sms etc.
     
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    Fairly naive if you ask me. The entire point is to sell people things they don't need that and surveillance.
     
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    Even if you yourself don't have an account or actually any sort of electronic devices you can still easily be tracked if you live in any sort of technologically advanced society through other individual's devices. I won't say more to avoid a heated tirade upon ethical use of tech.
     
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    You are 100% right. Naive to the bone. 'I have nothing to hide people'. Until they discover that....
     
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    Yup and that's my main concern and objection. I don't use Facebook and Google but my friends, yes they do.

    So if I didn't allow to share my data. It will be shared by friends. Even I never grant permission.
     
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    I’m right there with you.
     
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    After the CambridgeAnalytica incident. Analysed an friends Facbook account. (Download my data). Couldn't find phone data. No gsm or sms data. Account has been used on old Android + Facebook in the timeframe where Facebook could read phone plus sms. Maybe it is because I am located in the EU. Where in contrast to the US and New Zealand (CambridgeAnalytica Twitter example) it is not allowed and was never allowed before to scrape GSM info.
     
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    It’s fairly sick given the fact the psychological framework underpinnings which make Facebook more addictive than drugs due to the impact a like has upon our neurotransmitters.
     
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    As i am the one who ask first about emails on Centminmod servers now after so long that i use Centminmod i prefer to not have it on the same server as i agree with George and bassie about the handling of it and the reputation of the ip and the resources for the antivirus needed e.t.c

    I am using Centminmod with no issues for a long time and use Zoho or Gmail suite for the emails.....

    I was need only once to verify my domain on a service that the only option was to have @domain.com email .... and to be honest i wish to had a file that will recieve that mail with no user interface at all but ok there was easy to solve....

    So for me i prefer to not have emails at all on the server!

    As an addon it will be ok....
     
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    That’s basically my exact point of view on the subject as well.
     
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