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CentOS 8.x CentOS Project Shifts Focus To CentOS 8 Stream Effectively Ending CentOS 8 In 2021

Discussion in 'CentOS, Redhat & Oracle Linux News' started by eva2000, Dec 9, 2020.

  1. KlueMaster

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    Just thinking if Intel's Clear Linux could be a good option when CentOS 7 reaches end of life?

     
  2. eva2000

    eva2000 Administrator Staff Member

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    Yeah for their own future, it makes sense to invest in their own CentOS clone for Project Lenix so they can control their own futures rather than rely on other clones :)

    Intel Clear Linux's update system etc is drastically different to RPM distros like Redhat, CentOS, Rocky Linux, Oracle Linux and Project Lenix and Springdale OS. So would be too much work to change to Intel Clear Linux.
     
  3. buik

    buik “Life is trying things to see if they work.” Premium Member

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    True.
    These development costs are mainly in Cloudlinux. Where, as mentioned before, only the kernel and some other packages need to be modified for Lenix. Because the rest of the RPMs have already been rebuilt/cloned from upstream Red Hat EL8. As CloudLinux is a clone of EL8 already (with additions).

    Clear Linux is an open source, rolling release.

    Same as CentOS Stream on the rolling reason cycle. And that's why CentOS 8 will no longer be suitable as Stream next year.

    Precisely for this 'rolling reason' it is less suitable as a web server. Because programs can be upgraded on a daily basis. It is possible that you have to adjust Centminmod on a daily basis. That cannot be done easily.

    Apart from the other drawbacks of a rolling release.
     
  4. eva2000

    eva2000 Administrator Staff Member

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    Ah yes forgot that fact :)
     
  5. Ayo Teo

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    Hi, community,
    if I may through my 2 cents in this discussion
    I think going again with let's call it (opensource by the enterprise) operating systems a step back in all meanings.
    What made Centos the preferred choice for many clients despite that is upstreamed from RHEL
    is the established well-known path of open-source thinking of its developers and the stability.
    Doing the same mistake again and going with an os related to an enterprise is just not optimistic

    Enterprises shift their focusing and funding like every day with every meeting they have or every financial crisis they face.

    for now, I think the only contender here is RockyLinux. that if Eva is going to stick to his guns and focus on a real centos compatible alternative os. to keep the Mod source intact.
    otherwise, if there is any change in platform or Mod source code I think it should support FreeBSD or any edgy opensource platform.

    my humble opinion
     
  6. eva2000

    eva2000 Administrator Staff Member

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    It's shaping that way. Rocky Linux folks posted a December 2020 update as to their progress, plans and status at Community Update - December 2020

     
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    eva2000 Administrator Staff Member

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    LEB did an interview with Cloud Linux's CEO, Igor Seletskiy regarding Project Lenix and CentOS 8 changes at Interview with Igor Seletskiy, CEO of CloudLinux on Project Lenix, CentOS Changes, and Much More!

     
  8. buik

    buik “Life is trying things to see if they work.” Premium Member

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    Lots of PR from both Rocky Linux, Project Lenix and Oracle Linux *.
    Naturally, the parties would like to take over the current users of CentOS.
    To exclude a party right now seems a bit early to me.

    I want to see it again in a year's time.
    When all PR has descended.

    It is important. How many active developers will be actively involved after a year or more.

    With reference points:

    1. How many days after RHEL released its release, the fork * will release their release.
    2. How many days after RHEL released its updated package, the fork * will release their update.

    When I look at Oracle it now takes a week to two weeks for a release.
    An update often comes on the same day or a day later.

    These are excellent results for a free to use product, and are even much better than the current CentOS. CentOS manages to release CentOS 8, 140 days later.

    First I want to see if Rocky Linux and Project Lenix can offer this. And if so, could they deliver it also on a longer term.

    To achieve this, you almost need paid staff. This has Project Lenix by Cloudlinux.
    Rocky Linux should have a lot of volunteers to achieve this.
    Nowadays this is hardly possible with a few volunteers.
     
  9. eva2000

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    True. Though ultimately deciding factor is whether web hosts offer the new alternative OSes out of the box like they did with CentOS 8.

    Can you see web hosts/VPS providers offering Oracle Linux, Rocky Linux and Project Lenix OSes? Rocky Linux probably has the greatest chance to be offered in that way due to it's growing community support and mindshare compared to the others right now. But guess it's still wait and see :)
     
  10. eva2000

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    Looks like Cloud Linux's Project Lenix got a name change to AlmaLinux https://almalinux.org/ !

     
  11. buik

    buik “Life is trying things to see if they work.” Premium Member

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    Funny to see that Red Hat, citing IBM is (stil) advertising CentOS 8 as default OS on their IBM cloud platform. Bare, compute etc etc. CentOS 8 is their preferred OS.

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    @buik Yeah I'd imagine it won't change right now :)

    Redhat news New Year, new Red Hat Enterprise Linux programs: Easier ways to access RHEL

     
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    So a single developer (or team?) can use up to 16 free RHEL licenses. Are they nerfed? I thought the old one-free license was nerfed to be limited to one processor or something.

    Of course, in 6 months or a year, they'll start spamming people to pay for those licenses.
     
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    Thanks for heads up. Saw the new AX101 but didn't know it was CentOS 8 only. Wonder if it's just the Linux Kernel being older in CentOS 7 for 3.10 vs 4.1x for CentOS 8.
     
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  18. buik

    buik “Life is trying things to see if they work.” Premium Member

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    It is because of RHEL 7 and its clone CentOS 7 is in Maintenance Support **.
    As Zen3 = Ryzen 5950X is supported since kernel 5.10.

    Zen3 is backported from kernel 5.10 as improved hardware enablement to RHEL 8 / CentOS 8 *.

    Zen3 is not backported from kernel 5.10 as RHEL 7 / CentOS 7 is in Maintenance Support.

    *
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    Wouldn't ElRepo's kernel fix this? ELRepo | kernel-ml. So installing CentOS 7.9 manually for Hetzner is a possibility?

    Btw, I have heard good things from developers about NixOS: NixOS - Explore
     
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  20. buik

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    Technically it should be, yes. But as installing the elrepo installation requires a running system.

    You need to change the kernel on the installation medium as the server won't boot with the default non compatible upstream kernel.

    You could use Oracle's unbreakable linux boot cd tot give it a try. But i don't know about their Zen3 support for EL7 or not.

    Futuremore Zen3 is not tested with EL7.
    So even if you managed to run it on that brand new machine. It is not recommended to run in a business environment.