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  1. buik

    buik “The best traveler is one without a camera.” Premium Member

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    What is the status of Centminmod on CentOS 8?
    Git is updated a few months ago and the work-log is closed for discussion.
    Asking for a friend :)

     
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    eva2000 Administrator Staff Member

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    pretty much same as before and outlined at CentOS 8.x - Centmin Mod CentOS 8 Compatibility Worklog

    Still 3rd party repos need to catch up for missing CentOS 8 package and dependencies. Could go either way now with Corona virus forcing everyone to stay home - they may have more free time to get packages done or not
     
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    buik “The best traveler is one without a camera.” Premium Member

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    Yes, I think I have read somewhere EPEL runs on volunteers.
    The new Application Streams doesn't make it easier.
    Corona or no Corona.

    For me, myself: RHEL used to be by far the best linux distro. Now I start to doubt more and more.

    P.s. @eva2000 which package and dependencies are you missing exactly?
     
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    eva2000 Administrator Staff Member

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    It's not just what Centmin Mod requires but software/web apps that end users may require which I would not have forseen. I don't want folks to start installing on CentOS 8 only to find out their specific web apps won't work due to packages they need that aren't available and I didn't know of. You can track some of the package requests and package bugs due to CentOS/Redhat 8 differences in EPEL 8 bug tracker here.
     
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    buik “The best traveler is one without a camera.” Premium Member

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    Totally agree. You have my support. You know that.
     
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    @radbrad @buik @rdan @BamaStangGuy @pamamolf @Sunka @cloud9

    twitter thread highlighting CentOS 8/Redhat 8 not ready yet https://twitter.com/nixcraft/status/1260996775420157953

    But seems Redhat 8.2 added whois client back so that's why probably need to wait for CentOS / Redhat 8.4/8.5 before missing packages are available

    and https://twitter.com/devzeroooo/status/1260997583675305985
     
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    buik “The best traveler is one without a camera.” Premium Member

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    I am absolutely no fan of AppStream and CentOS Stream but absolutely disagree with the specific Tweets from nixcraft et al.

    As can be reviewed CentOS 8 was released on 2019-09-24.
    CentOS 8 EPEL8 whois was released on 2019-09-27.

    1751889 – RFE: Please branch whois for EPEL8

    The screenshot used in the tweet is kind of misleading.
    Whois is no longer available at EPEL8 on 14 May 2020 (screenshot taken) because whois is now part of EL 8.2 (Oracle Linux 8.2. clone whois as example) as this could lead to conflicts with EL8.* and EPEL8.

    The problem is that the CentOS team does not issue CentOS 8.2 on time.
    Has nothing to do with EPEL.

    If you want to complain, complain to the right party.
     
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    Well it's the whole CentOS/Redhat 8 ecosystem including 3rd party YUM repos like EPEL 8. As a whole there are still too many missing YUM packages compared to what is available in CentOS/Redhat 7 ecosystem.
     
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    buik “The best traveler is one without a camera.” Premium Member

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    Which specific package are you missing?
     
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    buik “The best traveler is one without a camera.” Premium Member

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    [​IMG]

    Red Hat most recently recommends to take 'a serious look at moving to Enterprise Linux 8' (EL8). As Enterprise Linux 7 (EL7) is in Maintenance Support right now.

    No new software enhancements are made. New native hardware support is limited.
    But given the fact that new hardware often involves new code
    (see support cycle). It is more likely to be 0.

    It literally means no new SCL, Red Hat Developer Toolset releases and thus no new packages like the latest GCC etc. As these packages are fresh, new and major. "Major releases are the primary vehicle for significant software enhancements".

    So if you want to install Centminmod on new fresh and fast hardware, sorry you're out of luck.

    Because the EPEL tracker indicates that despite the Covid 19 'Coronavirus' lockdown around the world (new packages have been leased during this virus window), no new packages and nothing significant is released or planned from May 2020 to near future.
    (This data can also be retrieved in the relevant tracker.)

    I think it's become a serious consideration to start working to the first Centminmod beta on EL8.

    To answer your question.

    Given the above, the chance that users will miss out on packages is very small.
     
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    Depends really. FYI Cloudflare Railgun isn't supported under CentOS 8 Raillgun repository for CentOS8

    Though Cloudflare have intentions to eventually deprecate Railgun and move it's features to CF Argo. But for now if you want to use Cloudflare Railgun on CentOS, only CentOS 6 and 7 are supported. FYI, I use CF Railgun :)
     
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    buik “The best traveler is one without a camera.” Premium Member

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    I'd rather not bring the bad news. I don't like that.
    But Railgun on EL8 is not going to happen.

    For example Ubuntu is Railgun supported as well and 2.5 years after the release, still no support for Ubuntu 18.04 LTS.

    A large company like Cloudflare could have done this easily, if desired.
     
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    @eva2000 any updates on centminmod for centos8 and almalinux 8 as your thread linked above has nothing since last April ?
     
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    No real updates other than not having the time to work on it like I would like between paid work taking up my time and my mum's medical surgery https://community.centminmod.com/threads/away-time-due-to-family-medical-circumstances.21865/, my current free time is limited. My mum's surgery has also pushed back a lot of my paid work and work in general too.
     
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    @eva2000 Im sorry to hear that, I missed that post but dont come here that often.

    Best wishes to your mum and yourself....

    Its strange how life turns alter your own life, my mum died (dropped dead) last year and my dads got bad arthritis, I am in the process of closing down my business and looking after dad (worked with him for 30+ years)......

    All the best
    Dave
     
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    Cheers Dave. Sorry to hear about your mum and dad :( All the best to you and your dad too!
     
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    buik “The best traveler is one without a camera.” Premium Member

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    Wise decision.
    Apart from the fact that your mother's health always comes first.
    Your working load and possible EL8 compatibility issues.

    Perhaps an understudied thing but very important is the future of
    EPEL (Extra Packages for Enterprise Linux).

    As users maybe know, Centminmod is partly dependent on EPEL in addition to EL (Enterprise Linux). EPEL is just like CentOS a Red Hat project.

    Given what Red Hat has done with CentOS, I won't be surprised if the current form of EPEL could just be the end of story as well.

    CentOS 8 is almost end of life and it remains to be seen whether EPEL8 will continue to exist in its current form. Once more because Red Hat is betting heavily on EPEL Next and EPEL8-playground (EPEL Next is EPEL for CentOS Stream).

    To me, this smells a little too much like Red Hat did before, while introducing CentOS Stream as a byproduct. Only later to promote it to just the main product and layoff the CentOS original product.

    There is too much going on in EL land right now, in my opinion.
    Too much risk to fully bet on EL8 as a successor for Centminmod8 right now.
     
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    Thank you for the update, @eva2000. My thoughts and prayers are with you, your mother, and your family.

    I agree it's best to just wait and see what happens. The landscape for the road ahead post-CentOS will only become more clear in the months and years ahead. It is better to wait and see what direction the larger community goes before updating Centminmod for whatever future platforms it will go to. CentOS 7 works just fine for now. :)