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  1. buik

    buik Well-known Member Premium Member

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    What is the status of Centminmod on CentOS 8?
    Git is updated a few months ago and the work-log is closed for discussion.
    Asking for a friend :)
     
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    eva2000 Administrator Staff Member

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    pretty much same as before and outlined at CentOS 8.x - Centmin Mod CentOS 8 Compatibility Worklog

    Still 3rd party repos need to catch up for missing CentOS 8 package and dependencies. Could go either way now with Corona virus forcing everyone to stay home - they may have more free time to get packages done or not
     
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    buik Well-known Member Premium Member

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    Yes, I think I have read somewhere EPEL runs on volunteers.
    The new Application Streams doesn't make it easier.
    Corona or no Corona.

    For me, myself: RHEL used to be by far the best linux distro. Now I start to doubt more and more.

    P.s. @eva2000 which package and dependencies are you missing exactly?
     
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    It's not just what Centmin Mod requires but software/web apps that end users may require which I would not have forseen. I don't want folks to start installing on CentOS 8 only to find out their specific web apps won't work due to packages they need that aren't available and I didn't know of. You can track some of the package requests and package bugs due to CentOS/Redhat 8 differences in EPEL 8 bug tracker here.
     
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    buik Well-known Member Premium Member

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    Totally agree. You have my support. You know that.
     
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    @radbrad @buik @rdan @BamaStangGuy @pamamolf @Sunka @cloud9

    twitter thread highlighting CentOS 8/Redhat 8 not ready yet https://twitter.com/nixcraft/status/1260996775420157953

    But seems Redhat 8.2 added whois client back so that's why probably need to wait for CentOS / Redhat 8.4/8.5 before missing packages are available

    and https://twitter.com/devzeroooo/status/1260997583675305985
     
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    buik Well-known Member Premium Member

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    I am absolutely no fan of AppStream and CentOS Stream but absolutely disagree with the specific Tweets from nixcraft et al.

    As can be reviewed CentOS 8 was released on 2019-09-24.
    CentOS 8 EPEL8 whois was released on 2019-09-27.

    1751889 – RFE: Please branch whois for EPEL8

    The screenshot used in the tweet is kind of misleading.
    Whois is no longer available at EPEL8 on 14 May 2020 (screenshot taken) because whois is now part of EL 8.2 (Oracle Linux 8.2. clone whois as example) as this could lead to conflicts with EL8.* and EPEL8.

    The problem is that the CentOS team does not issue CentOS 8.2 on time.
    Has nothing to do with EPEL.

    If you want to complain, complain to the right party.
     
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    Well it's the whole CentOS/Redhat 8 ecosystem including 3rd party YUM repos like EPEL 8. As a whole there are still too many missing YUM packages compared to what is available in CentOS/Redhat 7 ecosystem.
     
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    Which specific package are you missing?
     
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    [​IMG]

    Red Hat most recently recommends to take 'a serious look at moving to Enterprise Linux 8' (EL8). As Enterprise Linux 7 (EL7) is in Maintenance Support right now.

    No new software enhancements are made. New native hardware support is limited.
    But given the fact that new hardware often involves new code
    (see support cycle). It is more likely to be 0.

    It literally means no new SCL, Red Hat Developer Toolset releases and thus no new packages like the latest GCC etc. As these packages are fresh, new and major. "Major releases are the primary vehicle for significant software enhancements".

    So if you want to install Centminmod on new fresh and fast hardware, sorry you're out of luck.

    Because the EPEL tracker indicates that despite the Covid 19 'Coronavirus' lockdown around the world (new packages have been leased during this virus window), no new packages and nothing significant is released or planned from May 2020 to near future.
    (This data can also be retrieved in the relevant tracker.)

    I think it's become a serious consideration to start working to the first Centminmod beta on EL8.

    To answer your question.

    Given the above, the chance that users will miss out on packages is very small.
     
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